<div>Ok, that would be pretty easy to customize in the Boxlib frontend (or any other frontends that have tracer particles).</div><div><br></div><div>Do we have any public test datasets with tracer particles?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 5:56 PM Michael Zingale <<a href="mailto:michael.zingale@stonybrook.edu">michael.zingale@stonybrook.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_msg">yes, passive are just lagrangian tracer particles. So, for example, all of the particle stuff in Castro and Maestro are passive / tracer particles, and should probably not get an "n-body" label.</div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 6:53 PM, Nathan Goldbaum <span class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:nathan12343@gmail.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">nathan12343@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_msg">Sorry, you're using terminology I'm unfamiliar with. Are passive particles the same thing as tracer particles? If so I agree they should probably be considered separately from n-body particles. For the derived quantities that motivated this example, massless particles would also need to be neglected.</div><div class="m_2919678207114988978HOEnZb gmail_msg"><div class="m_2919678207114988978h5 gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg">On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 5:40 PM Michael Zingale <<a href="mailto:michael.zingale@stonybrook.edu" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">michael.zingale@stonybrook.edu</a>> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg">I think the name n-body only makes sense for datasets with active particles, not those with passive particles. The latter are the ones that I typically deal with. So maybe a different name? or maybe a way for a code to register if it is using active or passive particles?</div><div class="gmail_extra m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_extra m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg">On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Nathan Goldbaum <span class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:nathan12343@gmail.com" class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">nathan12343@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_extra m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><span class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg">On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 4:33 PM, Cameron Hummels <span class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:chummels@gmail.com" class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">chummels@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg">Wait, so we'd have both an 'all' ftype and an 'n-body' ftype and the 'n-body' ftype would just include non-gas particles (ie ones without the 'smoothing_length' field)? I'm assuming this won't add more computational load when reading in the dataset? </div></blockquote><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div></span><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg">I doubt it. There will just be some more fields in ds.derived_field_list (one 'n-body' field for each of the 'all' fields).</div><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832m_1484161905926588015h5 m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg">If that's the case, then I'm +0.5 on it. I haven't had a need for it up to this point, but maybe other people really need it?</div><div class="gmail_extra m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832m_1484161905926588015m_-3853963773584262031h5 m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg">On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 2:21 PM, John ZuHone <span class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:jzuhone@gmail.com" class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">jzuhone@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg">+1.<div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg">"n_body"?</div><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832m_1484161905926588015m_-3853963773584262031m_3168107345220518545h5 m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><blockquote type="cite" class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg">On Mar 29, 2017, at 5:19 PM, Matthew Turk <<a href="mailto:matthewturk@gmail.com" class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">matthewturk@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832m_1484161905926588015m_-3853963773584262031m_3168107345220518545m_-5319955312075545618Apple-interchange-newline m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg">+1, and I think updating YTEP-0031 is sufficient. Not sure that "n-body" specifically is my preference, since it's not tokenizable, but maybe it's fine.</div><div class="gmail_extra m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg">On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Nathan Goldbaum <span class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:nathan12343@gmail.com" class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">nathan12343@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg">Hi all,<div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg">I'd like to propose adding a new particle union that should be defined for all datasets that include particles. This came up in the context of the demeshening work (see <a href="https://bitbucket.org/yt_analysis/ytep/pull-requests/67" class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://bitbucket.org/yt_analysis/ytep/pull-requests/67</a> for more details).</div><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg">Right now many of the derived quantities make a distinction between calculating results using just the gas or just the particles or both. Up until now they have calculated the results for particles using particle fields from the 'all' particle union. This makes perfect sense for AMR data but doesn't really make sense for SPH data, since it will double-count SPH particles. In fact, I think this is an issue even without the demeshening, but the demeshening makes it more starkly apparent.</div><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg">I'd like to propose defining a new "n-body" particle union (suggestions for alternate names are very welcome) that will be defined for all yt datasets. This union will be identical to the 'all' particle union for AMR data and N-body particle data, but for SPH data will only include the particle types that aren't SPH particles (if any). That means the "n-body" particle type represents infinitesimal particles but not particles that have finite extents (e.g. an SPH particle's smoothing region).</div><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg">I think this new particle type would probably be generically useful beyond just the derived quantities, maybe even more useful than "all". I also kind of prefer the name "n-body" to "all" since it more prominently indicates that it's associated with particle data.</div><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg">Please let me know if you have thoughts or suggestions about this proposal. I'm happy to draft a YTEP or update YTEP-0031 with more details if people want to see that.</div><span class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832m_1484161905926588015m_-3853963773584262031m_3168107345220518545m_-5319955312075545618HOEnZb m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><font color="#888888" class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_2919678207114988978m_-1163837161831350832gmail_msg gmail_msg">-Nathan</div></font></span></div>
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