[yt-dev] Website redesign feedback

Fri Sep 20 09:28:53 PDT 2013

I just want to respond to Cameron's question about the gallery.  I don't
think it should have to be in a published paper, but I would like it to
highlight as much of yt's analysis functionality as possible.  There is
often the temptation too fill it with a bunch of gorgeous renders, which
are really impressive, but don't really give anyone the impression that yt
is used for quantitative analysis.  The only real bar I was hoping for
submissions is that they be something that was used in some sort of
professional context.  This could be a paper, but also a talk, press
release, outreach material, or anything that was actual used for a purpose
other than just making something that's pretty.  In that sense, the gallery
is basically a place to show off the niche that yt is serving in the real
world.  Maybe this could even include embedded movies.  Would that be
possible?

Everyone, please contribute!

Britton

On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Matthew Turk <matthewturk at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've updated based on, I think, all of the suggestions (except the
> facebook button, which somebody else needs to get the code for and
> send me) and updated both the deployment and the PR.  Nathan fixed the
> images on the carousel, and I can't take credit for that.  :)
>
> Any other feedback?
>
> -Matt
>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Cameron Hummels <chummels at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Oh, and the "yt-project" link in the upper left of the header does not
> link
> > to anything.  it might be good to have that link to Home.  In fact, you
> > might be able to do away with the Home link if you were to do this.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Cameron Hummels <chummels at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think it would be useful to have a link to both the stable docs as
> well
> >> as the dev docs, if that's an option.  Even with the increased
> frequency of
> >> releases, there is still some lag time between dev docs getting pulled
> into
> >> the stable.
> >>
> >> Under the community page, the last link on the Sharing Scripts header
> has
> >> a typo: pastebine.
> >>
> >> Under the development page, there is a word missing in the second
> >> sentence: "...the development branch, the and even this website."
> >>
> >> I think the gallery is a great idea--now we just have to populate it.
>  Is
> >> the idea to show off published work?  Does it have to be published?
>  Also, I
> >> think we should have people submit both a thumbprint (400x400 as is
> done) as
> >> well as a full-res image which is linked through the thumbprint.  Or
> perhaps
> >> it's enough that the paper is linked?
> >>
> >> So we'll also have another gallery in the docs with images shown as well
> >> as the cookbook recipes which created them (a la matplotlib)?  I think
> that
> >> would be useful.
> >>
> >> Overall, I think the page looks good.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Geoffrey So <gsiisg at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "Ah, I agree about the doc link; not sure about the other two. What
> about
> >>> switching blog to being under Quick Links and replacing it with a link
> to
> >>> the latest stable docs? I don't think a search box will quite work on
> the
> >>> toolbar."
> >>>
> >>> - Doc would be my first choice, too.  Search is within the doc so it
> >>> would be just one step away, and usually I wouldn't know what to
> search for
> >>> until after I looked at the Docs, so not having search at the
> beginning is
> >>> fine.
> >>>
> >>> "Where should the colors be changed? I do want to brighten the text a
> >>> bit, but can you suggest other places?"
> >>>
> >>> - I just thought the color template of the Docs looks pretty nice, kind
> >>> of similar to python/numpy etc, but I also understand the need for the
> black
> >>> background since we're doing astro, but some addition of bright colors
> would
> >>> help "lighten" the mood (pun intended), so maybe use a brighter shade
> of
> >>> grey for the text, and/or color coded section label.  But I also
> noticed my
> >>> laptop brightness wasn't turned all the way up, so at max brightness
> it is
> >>> not as gloomy as I thought before.
> >>>
> >>> From
> >>> G.S.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Matthew Turk <matthewturk at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Geoffrey,
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sep 19, 2013 9:06 PM, "Geoffrey So" <gsiisg at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > These are just personal preference:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I usually use the yt website to look things up when I don't know or
> >>>> > forgot something, so I would prefer to have one of the following on
> the tabs
> >>>> > on the front page in descending preference.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > 1) documentation
> >>>> > 2) search function
> >>>> > 3) quick start guide
> >>>> >
> >>>> > This would help me at least to find information I want about yt
> faster
> >>>> > and make the site more useful.
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>> Ah, I agree about the doc link; not sure about the other two. What
> about
> >>>> switching blog to being under Quick Links and replacing it with a
> link to
> >>>> the latest stable docs? I don't think a search box will quite work on
> the
> >>>> toolbar.
> >>>>
> >>>> > I think it's great to have a link at the very top,
> >>>> > enabling/encouraging people to become developers.  The site looks
> fresh from
> >>>> > some of the new images on the gallery, but I'd like to see more
> more bright
> >>>> > colors to contrast the black background
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>> Where should the colors be changed? I do want to brighten the text a
> >>>> bit, but can you suggest other places?
> >>>>
> >>>> Matt
> >>>>
> >>>> > From
> >>>> > G.S.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Matthew Turk <
> matthewturk at gmail.com>
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Hi all,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> The last week or so, I've been working on a redesign of the
> website.
> >>>> >> I've gotten some really good feedback from Nathan, Britton and a
> few
> >>>> >> others, and I think it's ready to be opened up for more general
> >>>> >> comments.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> The redesign pull request is here:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>
> https://bitbucket.org/yt_analysis/website/pull-request/11/draft-redesign-using-twitter-bootstrap/diff
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> and the redesign itself can be viewed here:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> http://yt-project.org/index2.html
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> There were a couple goals here:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >>  * Make information much easier to get at
> >>>> >>  * Reduce the text and increase the size of the text on the front
> >>>> >> page
> >>>> >>  * Make the website *way* easier for people to edit
> >>>> >>  * Make the website *way* less javascript heavy
> >>>> >>  * Indicate much more strongly that we're part of the scientific
> >>>> >> Python ecosystem
> >>>> >>  * Emphasize that yt is analysis-focused with visualization built
> on
> >>>> >> that, rather than the other way around
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> There are a few visual glitches still (the headings underline when
> >>>> >> you
> >>>> >> mouse over them, and I'm trying to make the text lighter) but I
> think
> >>>> >> it's ready for feedback.  I'd appreciate any comments, either here
> or
> >>>> >> on the pull request.  And, if we decide this is *not* the direction
> >>>> >> to
> >>>> >> go, that's fine too!
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Britton and I have gone back and forth on how to fix up the gallery
> >>>> >> and integrate the hub and the blog more deeply.  That's a much
> longer
> >>>> >> project, but we see the three all coming together nicely in the
> >>>> >> future.  As it stands, the Gallery will likely include a few images
> >>>> >> linked to scientific papers, link to a few things on the hub
> >>>> >> (notebooks, projects, etc), and is currently handled via version
> >>>> >> control.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Britton's working on expanding it, but if you can read this, you
> >>>> >> should also add some stuff to it!  Ultimately what I think would
> work
> >>>> >> best would be to solicit contributions directly, solicit
> >>>> >> contributions
> >>>> >> to the hub, and then flag some things for display in the gallery.
>  It
> >>>> >> would be nice to include basically all types of contributions here
> --
> >>>> >> notebooks, scripts, figures, papers -- and I'm coming to really
> think
> >>>> >> the gallery is essential.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Incidentally, this week as Anthony and I have been working on
> getting
> >>>> >> support for PyNE interoperability with yt, I've had occasion to
> view
> >>>> >> their docs and found them to be really nice.  The gallery system
> they
> >>>> >> have is quite nice and very similar to where we're going with the
> yt
> >>>> >> docs and the cookbook, but just a *little* bit further than we've
> >>>> >> gone:
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> http://pynesim.org/
> >>>> >> http://pynesim.org/gallery/index.html
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> If we decide this website is the way to go, I'll spend some time
> >>>> >> trying to make our docs play look a bit nicer with it, although
> >>>> >> likely
> >>>> >> not with black background.
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Thanks for any feedback,
> >>>> >>
> >>>> >> Matt
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> >> Cameron Hummels
> >> Postdoctoral Researcher
> >> Steward Observatory
> >> University of Arizona
> >> http://chummels.org
> >
> >
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